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Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10809	Posted - 2014.12.13 02:05:51 - [1] - Quote You want to know why people hate miners? I was talking to a guy on Reddit the other day about precisely that, and here is what he told me. Quote: Newbro here. Finally got my mining barge after pushing for mining from the start. Hate it. I'm too cautious to afk mine and I hate the idea of even having to do that. I want to play this game. I feel like I don't have any other available thing to do. I understand I won't be rich right away but I really can't see myself doing nonstop mining haul after mining haul. It's not fun at all. I feel like the only thing I can do is queue up a month's worth of skills and come back with a little more available to me and Plex it off. It doesn't sound fun to me in the slightest. I'm so lost in this game and I don't know if I should even continue. That's why I hate miners. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10815	Posted - 2014.12.15 00:36:20 - [2] - Quote Anslo wrote: Weren't you quitting last month after your mental break down? You should have. Miners contribute to eve. You don't. Miners don't contribute to the community at all. They might as well be NPCs for all that they actually interact with other players. They're not players, they're more like destructible terrain, fit only to be destroyed for the amusement of others. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10815	Posted - 2014.12.15 01:29:21 - [3] - Quote Senyu Takashi wrote: The same can be said about gankers. They dont contribute to the community at all, interaction with them is basically on an NPC level (i.e. getting attacked, nothing else) and they are periodicaly blown up by CONCORD/tanked barges with drones for the amusement of others. Of course they interact with others. They shoot them. Chewing on an asteroid belt all day? Not so much. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10815	Posted - 2014.12.15 01:52:11 - [4] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Miners don't contribute to the community at all. They might as well be NPCs for all that they actually interact with other players. They're not players, they're more like destructible terrain, fit only to be destroyed for the amusement of others. And if you really believe that and aren't just trolling people, I feel very very sorry for you. Yes, Nevyn, I, without reservation or hesitance disregard the feelings of people who pay CCP fifteen dollars a month to afk in a belt all day. If they're going to do that, then blowing them up is pretty much akin to shooting an exploding barrel in a shooter game. All that barrel exists for is for me to shoot it, blow it up, and derive some small enjoyment from having done so. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10816	Posted - 2014.12.15 02:26:54 - [5] - Quote Senyu Takashi wrote: I, for example, mine minerals in 0.0 to supply my industry activities. And since hauling minerals from HS to 0.0 is a PITA (it was even before the JD nerf) mining is my only source of material. So I mine minerals while dodging any potentialy hostile players, build a ship, make some ammo, sell all of it and then I spend the rest of my day with the feeling that my ship will be used to kill some guy somewhere and sometime, essentialy making me indirectly responsible for some players ship loss. If thats "not contributing to the community" or "not interacting with other players" according to you, then I think youre just one of the "the only way to play EVE right is my way" kind of players. Congratulations, you aren't a miner. You're an industrialist. Yes, there is a difference. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10816	Posted - 2014.12.15 14:55:37 - [6] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: Because retriever, covetor, mackinaw and hulk can tank 1 extra destroyer at best (unless you bling-tank and ask for it), while Procurer and Skiff are more tanky than former without any yield sacrifice. Well, that sounds unbalanced. Looks like we need to nerf the Proc and Skiff. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10816	Posted - 2014.12.15 15:05:43 - [7] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: After we nerf grief decs. They are also severely unbalanced in favor of the grief deccer. Wardecs are not griefing by CCP's definition. Oh, and crying about how profitable mining is, or is not, is really rather pointless considering the upcoming ban on ISBoxer. Now that you don't have all those cheaters driving down mineral prices, the whole equation changes. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10817	Posted - 2014.12.15 15:23:26 - [8] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: ISboxers are not 'cheating' by CCP's definition until 15.01.15 Yes, they are. CCP was just gracious enough to give them a cutoff point to cease their cheating. Personally I'd have just perma banned them all out of the blue without warning, and left the reason box blank. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10818	Posted - 2014.12.15 15:26:19 - [9] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Josef Djugashvilis wrote: ISboxers are not 'cheating' by CCP's definition until 15.01.15 Yes, they are. CCP was just gracious enough to give them a cutoff point to cease their cheating. Personally I'd have just perma banned them all out of the blue without warning, and left the reason box blank. So, CCP's rules only apply when you want them to? See your comment about 'griefing' This is what missing the joke looks like, everybody. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10822	Posted - 2014.12.15 19:23:41 - [10] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: I dare you to tell me it's balanced. It is. It's even unbalanced significantly in favor of the defenders thanks to the dec dodge exploit. People like you need to realize that this game is not, in any way built on the assumption that you have a right to be left alone. Ever. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10822	Posted - 2014.12.15 21:30:55 - [11] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Defenders to be able to extend wars indefinitely for free. This already exists. Quote: Defenders to be able with confirmation from other corps and alliances to add them to their side of the war. So does this. Do you even play this game? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10823	Posted - 2014.12.15 22:58:40 - [12] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: It has been three years since I cared that I was war dec'ed. So, I haven't bothered looking into it. Really? Indefinitely for free where the attacker can't back out unless you let them and you can bring in as many allies as you like for free also? Not quite as far as the defender extending a war, but they can be made mutual. RvB does this, most notably. And as for allies, yes. And as for talking about things without bothering to look into them. Don't. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10823	Posted - 2014.12.15 23:04:16 - [13] - Quote And once again I have rung for the mods to put an end to Basil's street corner ranting about "griefing". "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10823	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:51:06 - [14] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: Thus, situation will be quite bad, but not nearly as bad as PvE players quitting. You overestimate your importance to the state of the game. With CCP about to deal the deathstroke to so very many ISBoxer accounts, thus far the only thing that I've really noticed that effects me is lower plex prices. And that's a good thing. So it seems to me that the game could very well do with less of you. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10823	Posted - 2014.12.16 01:24:47 - [15] - Quote Sol Project wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Basil Pupkin wrote: Thus, situation will be quite bad, but not nearly as bad as PvE players quitting. You overestimate your importance to the state of the game. With CCP about to deal the deathstroke to so very many ISBoxer accounts, thus far the only thing that I've really noticed that effects me is lower plex prices. And that's a good thing. So it seems to me that the game could very well do with less of you. You are STILL talking to these clueless trolls? Sheesh! Get some life of your own, man! My wife's in the hospital, and I'm posting from my phone when she's asleep. Since I've read the few books I brought with me thrice over in the last week(although the 5th edition Dungeon Master's Guide is delightful), I have little else to do. "get a life" indeed. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10831	Posted - 2014.12.17 11:28:32 - [16] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: If I burn ants with a magnifying glass because I can and find it entertaining - do you really believe that in no way reflects my personality? Real life and video games are different things. But hey, if you can't separate the two, I can only wonder what you must think about people who play Goat Simulator. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10832	Posted - 2014.12.18 00:19:51 - [17] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: There are so many cases where miners and industrials have absolutely no hope and thus my ire is mostly at CCP for making it so unbalanced. Mechanics can change. Human nature will not. You're joking, right? A smart player in highsec is all but invincible. If anything it's unbalanced too far towards safety. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10832	Posted - 2014.12.18 00:43:54 - [18] - Quote Hasikan Miallok wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: You're joking, right? A smart player in highsec is all but invincible. ... and losec ... and renter blusec ... and also most WHs ... well close to anywhere in null in an intie and anywhere in losec in an intie or covops capable ship Actually a smart player is pretty safe pretty much anywhere except maybe some NPC null areas if your not blue to the locals. Well, at least you can get caught with bubbles in most of those. And yes, interceptors are the next best thing to haxx when it comes to getting away clean. But I was talking about non combat ships like industrials and barges. And especially freighters. The fact of the matter is that if you die in highsec and weren't deliberately flashy, then odds are you screwed something up. Most likely, if you were in an indy ship, you were afk, since being afk is a particularly frequent misuse of those kind of ships. So why should such abject failure to play the game warrant more safety in any way? If anything it needs to be more easily punished so people will stop doing it, since it's so infrequent that people will think "it won't happen to me" and most of the time they're right. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10834	Posted - 2014.12.18 03:38:21 - [19] - Quote Khergit Deserters wrote: Seems to me the anti-miner deal is just a hypocritical load of shite. "I'm leet and and pvp." Except when I'm taking a break and am harvesting my own little thing AFK. Shee-it. snip And you leet people punching miners, shut down whatever passive farming thing you got going on first. You keep saying stuff like this, but as best as I can tell it's just spouting off. I personally have zero ways in which I actively don't play the game while in open space. The closest thing to passive income that I have would be my market trading, and that actually requires work, thought, risk, and an actual investment in what I'm doing. So I honestly can't figure out what you're talking about, unless you're making the absurd claim that the real players all have their own afk miners hiding somewhere. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10838	Posted - 2014.12.18 11:22:30 - [20] - Quote Khergit Deserters wrote: But, where do moon goo and half of the other vital components for stuff built come from? A POS, which takes more effort and forethought to set up than a hundred miners. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.

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